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loubyornotlouby's avatar

It’s been, what…6 months and we are still workshopping Abundance takedowns because we haven’t found any real talking points that land?

The funny thing to me is it seems pretty clear to me that Klein nor Thompson ever expected “Abundance” to be seen as this big national project (quite frankly, all the examples in the book focus on State and Local reforms for a reason, with the exception of Energy & Permitting reform for Transmission / Nuclear), but a handful of Hipster Antitrust folks came out swinging and caused a Streisand Effect for what would have been a small wonky movement of likeminded policy nerds at State and Local levels who would eventually rise through the ranks.

It seems pretty clear that the “Abundance Movement” (whatever that is) doesn’t make much sense because it was never really the point of the book. And so yes, it feels sort of slapdash-y….but hey, probably shouldn’t waste the energy I guess and there are plenty of worse things that Democrats could be talking about, I guess. I am not sure if “Abundance Movement” ever really needs to *make* sense since it’s at it’s most basic a localized effort …but i guess we will see what, if anything, can be done with all this energy / attention. Kind of a miracle so far it hasn’t already backfired at the State level in Red states if you ask me…

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Conversations about Abundance aren't really about the book (which has pretty misguided ideas about how construction works) but are actually about the role Ezra and people like Ezra play in the Democratic Party. To be blunt, there really isn't an electoral coalition for the type of milquetoast, technocratic political solutions people like him seem to love or the restrained, meek cadence they seem to deliver them in.

You've mentioned this before, but it's really bad that moderate Democrats can't seem to come up with a compelling vision for the future. The Biden Administration attempted to focus on the unglamorous parts of governance, assuming that voters would respond to Democrats being the "responsible adults" in the room, only for that approach to fail. While the focus on solving housing problems in blue states is good, I don't think it actually solves the messaging problems Democrats need to address. And if they're too passive to counteract the constant stream of social media slop swing voters are receiving, all that money going into messaging is more or less wasted.

Oftentimes, I feel like the Ezras of the world don't have a strong understanding of how the right goes about amassing political power. There's such a focus on process and reasoned argument from liberals like him that they end up sacrificing whatever persuading power they have to their opponents, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.

Part of how Charlie Kirk, someone Ezra deeply admires, built up the institution that is the Turning Point was by understanding that winning the argument is more important than having a fair argument. Beyond that, Kirk was a compelling media figure in his own right, which made people want to listen to him. But Democrats are so averse and incapable of promoting moderate commentators with that type of charisma that they end up putting out whatever fires the left causes. I think that has something to do with how impartial those commentators seem to liberalism as an ideology.

Something I appreciate about you as a political commentator is that you never seem to withhold your opinions to make other people happy. You have a clear set of beliefs that you will not compromise on even if those beliefs make other people mad. Honestly, they should just pay you to work on social media outreach, you'd probably be better at it than whoever they currently have running it.

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